We, Lilis Mulyani, Ivan Kurniawan Nasution, and Mochamad Felani Budi Hartanto, researchers from PRMB (Research Centre for Society and Culture) BRIN (National Research and Innovation Agency), approached Professor Mohammed Ali Berawi of the Nusantara Capital City Authority for a dialogue in his office at Mandiri Tower, Jakarta. About half a year ago, Prof. Berawi was inaugurated as the Deputy for Green and Digital Transformation. His bright track record in academia and various achievements has made him one of the World’s Top 2% Scientists, and he obtained a professorship at Universitas Indonesia at a young age. His expertise in civil engineering, especially value engineering, has delivered prestigious infrastructure projects, such as the Public Railways and Stormwater Infrastructure (PRASTI) Tunnel and a Sunda Strait bridge construction. This experience is considered crucial in assembling the new capital city, Nusantara. In this dialogue, Ali Berawi talks about various transformations in the Nusantara project that are crucial in overcoming the friction between aspirations and reality.